Contra An interview about love (II of II) DGD: Landscapes-Series Arctic 26 (clonografía), 2009 *
The Otherness capitalized
Interview with Daniel González Dueñas
(Second of two parts)
* Ana Alonzo * * - The climax of the book contains an image that suggests the second birth spoken of alchemy, only here the accent is not individual but a couple. Does this have to do with what you call Otherness capitalized?
* "Yes, and the archetypal reference is of course the great founding myth: that of the androgyne. However, the perfect metaphorical representation is neither more nor less than the myth of Oedipus. We all remember the very famous riddle which the Sphinx to Oedipus: "What creature that moves on four legs in the morning, on two legs at noon and three at dusk?". Oedipus responds, "The Man", and thus defeat the Sphinx. What is not remembered is that, according to several ancient versions, the Sphinx, after that response, requires one second riddle Oedipus even harder: "They are two sisters, one of which gives rise to another and, in time is generated by the first. " After Oedipus reflects and responds: "The day and night." Been successful and thus ultimately precipitated the self-destruction of the Sphinx. The essence of this magnificent second riddle of the Sphinx is the astonishing idea that one begets the other lovers, and in turn is sired by the first.
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- is curious given the day a female, and is called "sister" of the night.
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memorable this English version of the second puzzle is that the usual plot heterosexism wisely according to which only the opposite gender function as real poles. In the myth (and here the Oedipus and the Sphinx communicates with the Androgyne) there is no general opposition: there are sisters ("the day" and night), there are brothers (the day and "night") and there pairs (day and night), implying very healthy that the protagonists can be two women, two men, or a woman and a man, with equal weight for whatever archetypal case.
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- One of the challenges in talking about this issue is to make intelligible the world of emotions, how you faced this risk when writing love Contra?
* "The only possible answer is that I did my each and every one of the testimonies collected the book are the voices, some heard" live voice ", others read, some lived. Sometimes two or more evidence became one, told by one voice, sometimes a single witness was divided into several, like several very disparate voices. These stories could only be rewritten as if he had lived. The only way to be faithful to the rapporteurs was through emotion. Although the book seems to prevail reflection, I think it may well be said to be a book eminently emotional.
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- Tolstoy said that all happy families are alike, and which are not, are unhappy in their own way, that is, have a history. Would you think the same about love? Just have the unhappy love story?
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"So it seems, and also this is the very definition of the West. Denis de Rougemont himself scoffed at this idea when he put the title to one of his books History a happy people. The word "happiness" is very rotten in the use and abuse that has been made of it, the power behind the West tells us that our duty is "to be happy ", yet we realize that happiness (as stated in the common place) has no history. Therefore, what the West imposed on us a duty not to be happy but "tender" for happiness as long as never reach it, because achieving it means not having a history, and this is more frightening than we can imagine: no more frightening to us that anonymity and oblivion.
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- Happiness Is then an alibi?
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"Thus it is used. On one side abide by our "duty to be happy" which is nothing to be consumed and supporters of bourgeois ideology and neo-liberal, which means using the word "happiness" as the theme of cannibalism and dehumanization. We are obedient and "tend" to happiness but simultaneously we sabotage any possibility of "being happy" because we have history (and we know that only have a history of conflict, destruction and pillage).
* Hermann Hesse admired philosopher unjustly forgotten, Christoph Schrempf, who has an ineffable phrase "damned if I dispense the duty of being happy, I could live in a fairly acceptable." If we do not like the word "happiness", so rotten that is, say serenity, joy or fullness , individually, and at the couple say agreement (which with a bit of etymology fiction means the synchronous beating of two hearts).
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In Contra love is said to be an ideal couple, whose members were each the "half" of the other two form a kingdom without a trace, and in the world "communication "that from which there is no record simply does not exist. But there is no danger of that happening (the perfect meeting or consistent, one in which addresses the field of Otherness in capital letters) because for us, love is the greatest story, ie not only the continuing conflict but perennial and systematic devastation.
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- The subtitle of your book is "Letters to disarm the erotic model of the West, and one of these models is consumerism that makes Hollywood erotic. Could you expand on what this model implies lovemaking?
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-Much of the book is devoted to erotic media model (and the most powerful of them all, Hollywood) reported minute by minute. Erotic consumerism are not the gadgets or magazines or anything you buy or accept to become more "desirable" but the desire itself. We sell a single way of saying. We not desire (pun intended) but by fear. And it could go further in that line, the West does not love by love but by hatred.
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- education always precedes a sentimental love story, and it becomes a mere example of these forms of love described in the book and we all know through songs, movies, novels .. . One of the most important to disarm the sentimental education model is in the section called "What people do ", where he claims that we often confuse love with those things that makes people love. How can we avoid this way to confuse life with social life?
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"That chapter is devoted to that to me is one of the greatest poets of the twentieth century, it is Juan Matus, Carlos Castaneda's teacher. Don Juan shows us that we confuse the world with what people do, for us there is more to life than social life. He says: "What people do is of course very important, but only as a safeguard". And he explains with striking clarity: "An elderly man has not exhausted the world. Just what exhausted people do. But in his stupid confusion believes the world has no mysteries for him. What a price we pay for our securities dire! ".
* Now, open the perception is not only difficult but dangerous: it implies, says don Juan, a monumental shock . It would not be so serious and risky if our culture does not pit had cut all communications with the ancient wisdom: we would be prepared, we would know difference, we would live responsibly intense and inserted into the world and what people do, but not confined to that and ignorant of what lies beyond. On some level may well be said that this is so terrible experiences disrupting (which are "beyond", which brings us back to another ): love, sleep, play, poetry, and other boundaries, dementia.
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- In every culture lovers go crazy, and they themselves say.
* And perhaps this is because they are accustomed to looking to understand how life and social life, even in the more magical and transcendent love lovers are equated with "what people do "and measured respect to that consensus. In his highest moments, love is a glimpse of life and the world beyond people do . In it is like poetry: when in truth deserves the name, love has no history, related or consequential, much less what is called "experience."
* When someone claims to "a loving experience" lies. In what is experienced is what people do. If suddenly that person was lucky enough to find the love consistent, which is beyond what people do, and also had great wisdom and courage must admit, would be that all this "experience" that prided absolutely no use at all. Because it would look at once like in the beginning of the world. And we could delete the word "like." All love is the first, and not in a social sense but Eden.
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- Language is another skin Is her being played with the fans?
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-only it were so, but in our current state of consciousness is exactly the opposite: we use language (and language uses us) to put a barrier against anything that shows us love, or wants to show, ie against monumental shock the opening moments of a reality deeper and more real.
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- Among the literary genres, one that rescues with special emphasis on the book is the interior monologue . Would you say that this is the modern kind of love, because through it they become life stories?
* "You say well: more than a style or technique, the interior monologue is a genus (etymologically understood as generator). We all have an internal monologue that is active the all time, and that the infatuation is dislocated to unspeakable levels. Don Juan Matus says that interior monologue each of us holds the world as it appears at all, even so, lovers keep the love in the field of prose, that is, "what people do." The reason is, again, fear.
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- The climax is encouraging if we realize that going against the love (social) is going against the fear, do you think that this is possible in the Western model?
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"A big step in itself monumental, you become aware of this fear, realize exists, how it manifests, how is what we fear. It is deplorable that in the West, the same way that life is only social life, awareness is only the bad conscience (guilt, mostly). After Love and de Rougemont West can no longer ignore what we do not want to face. We know why the love that is more open form of significance to all, become prey. Due to a huge and ancient fear we love and killing, to kill him.
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The book closes with the climax without hope of providing answers, but there is some form of hope: that consciousness is so different of bad conscience, to realize (what we do and why we do it) ceases to be a form of escape and revenge and become the urgent need to reinvent the experience of love with true courage, true generosity.
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Against Love (Letters to disarm the erotic model of the West) ,
Council for Culture and Arts of Nuevo León , Monterrey, 2010.
Orders: Erika Angel edelangel@conarte.org.mx
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